In honor of sanity returning: Best #Pac12 offensive players of the century ...
— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) April 24, 2024
1 Bush
2 Mariota
3 McCaffrey
4 Rodgers
5 Luck
6 Sewell
7 Beast Mode
8 Leinart
9 LaMike
10 Williams (Caleb)
I am here for the @-ing https://t.co/76tWxOZEAW
okaydo
5:03a, 4/25/24
UrsusTexicanus
11:30a, 4/30/24
In reply to flounder
But were they better than him at ballroom dancing?flounder said:
mike hass, desean, maurice jones-drew, jaquizz, geoff mcarthur > leinart
WalterSobchak
11:37a, 4/30/24
Ignoring professional achievement is silly. You're not "the best" if you can't hack it in the pros.
Top 10
Rodgers
Gronk
Marshawn
Tyron Smith
McCaffrey
Goff
Ocho
Mack
DeSean
Keenan
In if just playing into 2000s is criteria
Tony G
Jonathan Ogden
Horseface
Tarik Glenn
Daddy McCaffrey
Just Outside / Still Working
Bush
Luck
Foles
Cooks
Sewell
Marv Jones
Stephen Jackson
Mercedes Lewis
MJD
Top 10
Rodgers
Gronk
Marshawn
Tyron Smith
McCaffrey
Goff
Ocho
Mack
DeSean
Keenan
In if just playing into 2000s is criteria
Tony G
Jonathan Ogden
Horseface
Tarik Glenn
Daddy McCaffrey
Just Outside / Still Working
Bush
Luck
Foles
Cooks
Sewell
Marv Jones
Stephen Jackson
Mercedes Lewis
MJD
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1:31p, 4/30/24
In reply to WalterSobchak
Ah yes, good old Horseface. It is weird that I know exactly who you're referring to.*
*furd quarterback in 1982.
*furd quarterback in 1982.
Pittstop
1:47p, 4/30/24
In reply to okaydo
No Muncie? Elway? Plunkett?
okaydo said:In honor of sanity returning: Best #Pac12 offensive players of the century ...
— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) April 24, 2024
1 Bush
2 Mariota
3 McCaffrey
4 Rodgers
5 Luck
6 Sewell
7 Beast Mode
8 Leinart
9 LaMike
10 Williams (Caleb)
I am here for the @-ing https://t.co/76tWxOZEAW
No Muncie? Elway? Plunkett?
sosheezy
1:52p, 4/30/24
In reply to Pittstop
of the century (aka post 2000)Pittstop said:okaydo said:In honor of sanity returning: Best #Pac12 offensive players of the century ...
— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) April 24, 2024
1 Bush
2 Mariota
3 McCaffrey
4 Rodgers
5 Luck
6 Sewell
7 Beast Mode
8 Leinart
9 LaMike
10 Williams (Caleb)
I am here for the @-ing https://t.co/76tWxOZEAW
No Muncie? Elway? Plunkett?
Pittstop
3:03p, 4/30/24
In reply to sosheezy
My bad. I [mistakenly, I guess] assumed he was talking "of the last century", or "of the last 100 years."
sosheezy said:of the century (aka post 2000)Pittstop said:okaydo said:In honor of sanity returning: Best #Pac12 offensive players of the century ...
— Jon Wilner (@wilnerhotline) April 24, 2024
1 Bush
2 Mariota
3 McCaffrey
4 Rodgers
5 Luck
6 Sewell
7 Beast Mode
8 Leinart
9 LaMike
10 Williams (Caleb)
I am here for the @-ing https://t.co/76tWxOZEAW
No Muncie? Elway? Plunkett?
My bad. I [mistakenly, I guess] assumed he was talking "of the last century", or "of the last 100 years."
ColoradoBear
3:30p, 4/30/24
In reply to flounder
I didn't see Wilner specify 'at football' anywhere in that tweet.
flounder said:
mike hass, desean, maurice jones-drew, jaquizz, geoff mcarthur > leinart
I didn't see Wilner specify 'at football' anywhere in that tweet.
WalterSobchak
3:41p, 4/30/24
In reply to ColoradoBear
Gronk's gotta have him beat in this category too.
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wifeisafurd
3:53p, 4/30/24
RB Ka'Deem Carry had a great college career (twice the nation's leading rusher) and is having a good pro career, though primarily in Canada. He probably would be my number 11.
Wilner seems to have a problem with WRs, but DJ and Marqies Lee (long, but injury prone NFL career), did some insane stuff in college.
Wilner seems to have a problem with WRs, but DJ and Marqies Lee (long, but injury prone NFL career), did some insane stuff in college.
Bearly Clad
6:14p, 4/30/24
Am I the only one who thinks Caleb Williams is a weird pick given that he never won the PAC-12 and only played in the conference for two years in very weak conference years (especially in the south division)?
wifeisafurd
9:53p, 4/30/24
In reply to Bearly Clad
Premature.Bearly Clad said:
Am I the only one who thinks Caleb Williams is a weird pick given that he never won the PAC-12 and only played in the conference for two years in very weak conference years (especially in the south division)?
blungld
8:55a, 5/1/24
In reply to Bearly Clad
Caleb Williams wowed me on several plays, but for some reason I am not sold on his leadership. As I said, I am sure I will look the fool here, but I don't think he is going to be the savior everyone thinks he will be. I don't think he will be a total bust, but if I was forced to bet I don't think he will ever be the top gun in the NFL. In fact, I was more impressed by Penix.
I will probably be made to look a fool, but there are a handful of college QBs that the moment I saw them play, I thought they would be solid to star QBs in the NFL: Aikman (was not sold on Peete), Rodgers, Mariota, Goff, Luck, Brees, and Jim Everett (okay that one is sorta shaky). I am sure there were others but those are the college QBs I had strong reactions to.Bearly Clad said:
Am I the only one who thinks Caleb Williams is a weird pick given that he never won the PAC-12 and only played in the conference for two years in very weak conference years (especially in the south division)?
Caleb Williams wowed me on several plays, but for some reason I am not sold on his leadership. As I said, I am sure I will look the fool here, but I don't think he is going to be the savior everyone thinks he will be. I don't think he will be a total bust, but if I was forced to bet I don't think he will ever be the top gun in the NFL. In fact, I was more impressed by Penix.
bencgilmore
9:19a, 5/1/24
It seems like someone is coaching Caleb on leadership (with him doing things like taking his OL to dinner and buying them suits), but in the moment it's much more 'me'.
His raw talent is undeniable though and being able to throw 50 yards lasers on the run has a leadership quality all its own
His raw talent is undeniable though and being able to throw 50 yards lasers on the run has a leadership quality all its own
WalterSobchak
9:56a, 5/1/24
No Stats, Pure WOW Factor
Best
Bush
McCaffrey
DeSean
Ocho
Marshawn
Penix
MJD
Lee
Ross
HM
Williams
Vereen
Pettis
???
Best
Bush
McCaffrey
DeSean
Ocho
Marshawn
Penix
MJD
Lee
Ross
HM
Williams
Vereen
Pettis
???
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wifeisafurd
10:06a, 5/1/24
In reply to bencgilmore
Moving beyond my one word answer of premature, my view is he was the best of the 3 Pac QBs drafted on physical talent (I look at them because I didn't see the other drafted QBs play).. Major arm talent with escapability and arm strength to exploit defenses once the play breaks down. The ability to be escapable tends to diminish as you get older and face the athletes the NFL defenses bring to the table. When I look at Rodgers, Brady, Manning and other top NFL QBs, what you see is lack of consistent accuracy and recognition of defenses and match-ups. The negative remarks about Williams is he misses a lot of wide open guys when throwing from the pocket and his aggressiveness ended with turnovers. He also is pretty quick to start moving out of the pocket and that is a good way to get hurt in the NFL. All that can be improved at the next level - he has huge talent, but does lack height (so did some other great QBs). Since Wilner's list clearly is based on college and NFL production (if just based on college performance, Wilner is clueless), the inclusion of anyone just gradating is premature.bencgilmore said:
It seems like someone is coaching Caleb on leadership (with him doing things like taking his OL to dinner and buying them suits), but in the moment it's much more 'me'.
His raw talent is undeniable though and being able to throw 50 yards lasers on the run has a leadership quality all its own
WalterSobchak
10:16a, 5/1/24
In reply to wifeisafurd
Wilner is (intentionally?) clueless, no argument there. But if his list includes NFL production very few would argue Rodgers is anything but #1. Gronk would have to be included, and IMO is the only one who could even have an argument of supplanting Rodgers. Also Sewell is a very nice young player but him over Smith and Mack would be even more insane. To me Bush at #1 screams college only (and hey look at me pandering for clicks while I pick a guy who's just made news for #1), but who knows.wifeisafurd said:
Since Wilner's list clearly is based on college and NFL production (if just based on college performance, Wilner is clueless), the inclusion of anyone just gradating is premature.
Please give to Cal Legends at https://calegends.com/donation/ and encourage everyone you know who loves Cal sports to do it too.
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concernedparent
11:57a, 5/1/24
In reply to Bearly Clad
What are you talking about? The Pac was the strongest it's ever been the past two years. 2022 had 6 teams finish ranked, 2023 had the national champion runner-up and another dark-horse playoff team. There were no divisions in those seasons.Bearly Clad said:
Am I the only one who thinks Caleb Williams is a weird pick given that he never won the PAC-12 and only played in the conference for two years in very weak conference years (especially in the south division)?
wifeisafurd
7:13p, 5/1/24
In reply to WalterSobchak
Agree. Gronk maybe not because his college career was muted by injury, and his numbers really are pretty weak. I wouldn't put Bush was number 1 either, but he would make my top 10. Stellar college career and a better NFL career than most people appreciate. Almost 10,000 all purpose yards, a Super Bowl ring, couple pro bowl years (one for special teams). He isn't Hall of Fame like Rodgers however.WalterSobchak said:Wilner is (intentionally?) clueless, no argument there. But if his list includes NFL production very few would argue Rodgers is anything but #1. Gronk would have to be included, and IMO is the only one who could even have an argument of supplanting Rodgers. Also Sewell is a very nice young player but him over Smith and Mack would be even more insane. To me Bush at #1 screams college only (and hey look at me pandering for clicks while I pick a guy who's just made news for #1), but who knows.wifeisafurd said:
Since Wilner's list clearly is based on college and NFL production (if just based on college performance, Wilner is clueless), the inclusion of anyone just gradating is premature.
Goobear
8:04p, 5/1/24
In reply to WalterSobchak
Pettis was awesome. I coached him when he played soccer with my son when they were 5 and 6. Then Dante Pettis told Addison they should go play football which ended my coaching career. Addison and Dante are God Bothers as his mom is my kids God Mother. See them all the time. Great family. Go Bears!WalterSobchak said:
No Stats, Pure WOW Factor
Best
Bush
McCaffrey
DeSean
Ocho
Marshawn
Penix
MJD
Lee
Ross
HM
Williams
Vereen
Pettis
???
oski003
6:57a, 5/2/24
In reply to Goobear
Please tell them to stop bothering God.
Goobear said:Pettis was awesome. I coached him when he played soccer with my son when they were 5 and 6. Then Dante Pettis told Addison they should go play football which ended my coaching career. Addison and Dante are God Bothers as his mom is my kids God Mother. See them all the time. Great family. Go Bears!WalterSobchak said:
No Stats, Pure WOW Factor
Best
Bush
McCaffrey
DeSean
Ocho
Marshawn
Penix
MJD
Lee
Ross
HM
Williams
Vereen
Pettis
???
Please tell them to stop bothering God.
BarcaBear
5:28p, 5/2/24
It's surprising how so few people see Offensive lineman as offensive players.
I hate the Hairball, but I think him using their pick, the 5h overall in the draft, for Joe Alt from Notre Dame makes sense. Hairball explained that Offensive lineman are the tip of the spear.
the fact, that O-lineman are completely left out of peoples perception of the best offensive players says a lot.
wish we had a coach that understood that a great line elevates the play of everyone around them.
I hate the Hairball, but I think him using their pick, the 5h overall in the draft, for Joe Alt from Notre Dame makes sense. Hairball explained that Offensive lineman are the tip of the spear.
the fact, that O-lineman are completely left out of peoples perception of the best offensive players says a lot.
wish we had a coach that understood that a great line elevates the play of everyone around them.
ducktilldeath
6:49p, 5/5/24
In reply to Bearly Clad
Leaving off the conference's all time leader in rushing yards and rushing TDs(and total TDs) seems wrong.
Neither USC QB should be on that list.Bearly Clad said:
Am I the only one who thinks Caleb Williams is a weird pick given that he never won the PAC-12 and only played in the conference for two years in very weak conference years (especially in the south division)?
Leaving off the conference's all time leader in rushing yards and rushing TDs(and total TDs) seems wrong.
ducktilldeath
6:52p, 5/5/24
In reply to wifeisafurd
I wouldn't hate Carey on that list even over Freeman(who 100% should be on it). Royce is also the only non kicker in the top ten(6) in scoring in conference history.wifeisafurd said:
RB Ka'Deem Carry had a great college career (twice the nation's leading rusher) and is having a good pro career, though primarily in Canada. He probably would be my number 11.
Wilner seems to have a problem with WRs, but DJ and Marqies Lee (long, but injury prone NFL career), did some insane stuff in college.